Foreign governments have infiltrated municipal politics in BC

[rjag]

Foreign governments have infiltrated Canadian politics, CSIS head tells CBC

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/For...#ixzz0riZAlbt0

I can think of a few likely suspects!!!

[Hotel Mike]

Originally Posted by rjag

Foreign+powers+have+infiltrated+Canadian+politics+ CSIS+head+says

I can think of a few likely suspects!!!

Do tell.

[victorian fan]

Timed for maximum effect with G20 summit.

[Baro]

I hope "attachment" bordering on obsessive sycophantic worship of the USA doesn't count, otherwise there's entire political parties CSIS should be concerned about...

[AllseeingEye]

No worries, everyone knows we Masons are in the backgrond pulling all the strings, even CSIS'. Don't worry RJAG....don't worry about the Chinese et. al.,....we've got it all covered

[sebberry]

Originally Posted by AllseeingEye

No worries, everyone knows we Masons are in the backgrond pulling all the strings, even CSIS'. Don't worry RJAG....don't worry about the Chinese et. al.,....we've got it all covered

It's the bilderbergers who are pulling yours

[AllseeingEye]

All good natured kidding aside I presume well read and intelligent adults would not really subscribe to any notion that the masons are behind this movement or that, or that we (or the Bilderberg's) "control" one organization vs. the the other?

If we are truly "Secret" then I would suggest we collectively do a damn poor job of it. Why can anyone who takes 5 minutes to search the web find out a lot of information about either group? Much of it of course is inaccurate - I recognize there will always be Conspiracy Theorists who can find a little something in the patterns in their Corn Flakes if they look hard enough - but there are also some very good sources out there particularly on Freemasonry.

Back on the topic, although the timing of the CSIS announcement is "interesting" given the upcoming G20, I nonetheless think only a very naive person would seriously suggest Canada_isn't routinely in fact probed by foreign agents of influence: China would be at the top of my list; Israel and other Middle Eastern nations I'm quite sure are in there poking about, as is most certainly the US. No surprise.

Spying is said to be second only to prostitution as the world's oldest vocation. And as someone wiser than I once said, one activity is scarcely distinguishable from the other....

[Bob Fugger]

Originally Posted by rjag

Foreign governments have infiltrated Canadian politics, CSIS head tells CBC

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/For...#ixzz0riZAlbt0

I can think of a few likely suspects!!!

Comrade Dean just recently came back from mission to China, as part of a provincinally sponsored Pacific Rim business initiative. Hmmmmmmmmmm, methinks there are some potential synergies between a new JSB and Chinese steel (and steelworkers).

[aastra]

I nonetheless think only a very naive person would seriously suggest Canada_isn't routinely in fact probed by foreign agents of influence...

Exactly right, and vice versa.

However, methinks only a supremely naive person would seriously think the director of an intelligence agency necessarily knows a heck of a lot about the activities that the intelligence agency is actually engaged in. He's a political figure making public statements that may or may not be true, and he's making those statements for political purposes.

Consider:

Mr. Fadden said Cabinet ministers in two provinces, which he did not name, are under control of foreign governments.

What on earth would be the point of saying something like this? If it's true and if the individuals in question are doing anything that seriously compromises national security in any way then we would NEVER hear about it.

[Bernard]

Personally I think it is all evil plots by the prince in Monte Carlo and the prince in Vaduz.

They are seeking global domination.

The other group in might is Turks and Caicos, they could be reviving their plans to be Canada's 11th province.

[VicHockeyFan]

Well, now he says that he misspoke. Was he drunk maybe?

[Mike K.]

Those foreign governments have put a lid on him...

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Bernard

Personally I think it is all evil plots by the prince in Monte Carlo and the prince in Vaduz.

They are seeking global domination.

The other group in might is Turks and Caicos, they could be reviving their plans to be Canada's 11th province.

PET did in any hopes of the T&C's ever being a part of Canada which has to be the worst decision ever made by any politician anywhere.

I wish they would infiltrate and try and make it work but they wouldn't join if we begged them.

[Holden West]

Originally Posted by AllseeingEye

Spying is said to be second only to prostitution as the world's oldest vocation. And as someone wiser than I once said, one activity is scarcely distinguishable from the other....

Sun Tzu literally wrote the book on spying 2600 years ago.

[AllseeingEye]

That is correct Holden; perhaps one of the most quoted books in history. In the modern context the British are generally acknowledged to have perfected the art of espionage starting with Sir Francis Bacon.

Interestingly despite the comment/allegation/assertion by the CSIS director today I suspect most Canadians would be quite surprised at the fact that in a global context Canada punches well above its weight in terms of participating in The Great Game. Aside from CSIS and the RCMP Security apparatus we also have the little known Canadian Forces Intelligence Branch (SIU) and of course the uber-top secret Communications Security Establishment, our smaller equivalent to the US National Security Agency. Along with the Americans, Brits, Aussies and New Zealand we have been very active participants in the spy game.

Its difficult to get hold of and I know I am one of the few people locally that has a copy but if you are interested try to get hold of "Spyworld" by Mike Frost; he was an operative in the CSE and published that book in 1994 after leaving the service. It was essentially an expose of CSE activities at home and abroad during the Cold War. Facinating reading if you can obtain it.

[spanky123]

Originally Posted by rjag

Foreign governments have infiltrated Canadian politics, CSIS head tells CBC

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/For...#ixzz0riZAlbt0

I can think of a few likely suspects!!!

His budget must be up for renewal. Nothing like some general wishy washy scare tactics to get money.

Bush perfected that tactic.

[Bernard]

In all seriousness, I assume it was China that was meant, what impact would these people have?

As it stands there is nothing left for Canada to do to bend over backwards and accommodate China.

Canada has long ago given up on any attempt to address the issue of human rights in China. The country does nothing to limit Chinese government owned company investments in Canada. We allow Chinese companies to bring their own workers over and do not push to make sure they follow Canadian labour laws - note the dead Chinese workers at their tar sands project in the past.

So what could they be getting from these politicians that Canada is not already willing to do?

[AllseeingEye]

Nope...actually their (CSIS) budget has doubled over the past 5 years. Its somewhere in the $4-500 million p/a range now.

[victorian fan]

CSIS head plays down CBC comments
CBC News
http://news.sympatico.cbc.ca/home/cs...ments/b9751387

CSIS director Richard Fadden appears to be backing away from exclusive comments he made to CBC News this week about foreign influence on Canadian politicians.

[...]

[VicHockeyFan]

Originally Posted by AllseeingEye

Nope...actually their (CSIS) budget has doubled over the past 5 years. Its somewhere in the $4-500 million p/a range now.

I know how we could get them more, pull the $1B we spend on the CBC and send it their way.

[Baro]

I'd rather totally cut out CSIS and put the money towards the CBC

[AllseeingEye]

Ok that was pretty good VHF, just about snorted my mid morning coffee all over my screen.

One can argue about the relative merits of the cost inherent in maintainng a domestic intelligence/spy apparatus but IMO the CBC = a colossal waste of money. Does Rex Murphy still pop up there to offer his usual acerbic so-called "analysis" of the day's newsworthy events? It got to the point that I could no longer stomach their Left Wing View of the World so I eventually stopped watching. What painful drivel. Which is too bad because "back in the day" in the 70's and 80's The National actually was a very good newscast.

The only thing remotely redeeming about CBC today is HNIC...... Even then they should have put Bob Cole out to pasture 10 years ago...

[piltdownman]

Getting way off topic, but CBC is not just a colossal waste of money, but terrible value for the money.

Last year CTVglobemedia only had $343.7-million in revenue. CBC received $946 million from funding from the federal government. That and they still have advertising just like any other channel. Some might say "look at all of their original Canadian programming", but CTV has just as many original prime time programs and they beat CBC in the ratings. The only programs ... other than hockey ... that get decent rating on CBC are Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy.

[Jason-L]

I find it interesting that no one raises the possibility of the foreign influence being from the US. I guess its just not foreign enough? Given how many US companies are now doing work for the BC Gov't (IBM & HP, for example) that used to be handled locally, it'd be south of the border I'd be looking at first.

[Mike K.]

^good point.

Lockheed Martin was hired to do the last census, for G's sake, and even our pharmacare/MSP are contracted out to US-based Maximus. Coincidentally the contract between the BC Gov and Maximus was under wraps from public scrutiny until it was ordered for release the other day.